A Comedian’s Viral “Callout” Misses Real Accountability

A new dad joked that parenting has been “pretty easy,” and the comedian clapped back—calling him a scumbag for leaving the mom at home. The internet celebrated it as a powerful “callout.”

But was it really accountability?

In this episode of Restorative Justice Breakdown, I sit down with Kori (the dad and owner of https://hiveclimbing.com/winnipeg/ in the viral clip) and Kerri (his wife, and a feminist reproductive health professional) to explore:

• What actually happened at the comedy show (beyond the clip)
• The pressures dads face to either perform or disappear
• The real (invisible) labor of early parenting and recovery
• Why people projected rage onto Corey and called it “justice”
• How we confuse venting with accountability, and symbolism with real people

Kerri shares her experience as a new mom, what their parenting dynamic actually looks like, and how context, privilege, and nuance matter when we talk about partnership and caregiving. Kori opens up about how it felt to be publicly roasted and misrepresented online, despite being an engaged and supportive father.

This isn’t about canceling the comedian. It’s about examining how we project our pain, turn strangers into symbols, and mistake viral content for justice.

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Transcript

EDITEDRESTORATIVEBREAKDOWNKORIKERRI.MP4

Date    2025-07-24

David 00:00

Hello, I am David Ryan Barcega Castro Harris. All five names for all the ancestors. And welcome to the Restorative Justice Breakdown, where we take situations that are happening in the real world, viewing them through a lens of restorative justice so we can better learn how to build, strengthen, and repair relationships. Today, I'm taking a restorative look at a crowd work moment at a comedy show that went viral online for maybe some not so great reasons. But we're going to use the lens of restorative justice to see what lessons we can learn and how to better build, strengthen, and maybe repair relationships. So let's get into it. Here's the clip. 

Kori 00:34

Tricep tendonitis from holding my baby. 

Comedian 00:36

How old's your kid, by the way? 

Kori 00:37

Like five months. 

Comedian 00:38

Ah, dude, you're in the right now. It's pretty easy, actually. Okay, well, I would spit on you if I could. Is the mother here? She's at home. No wonder why it's easy, you piece of. What a scumbag you are. An absolute scumbag. It's pretty easy if you just leave. You know what I mean? Second, I hear the wham. Like, honey, I'll be back. You know, what is the job? 

Kori 01:11

It's a climbing gym. I own a climbing gym. 

Comedian 01:12

A climbing gym. 

David 01:13

Oh, okay. 

Comedian 01:14

Maybe you don't think that could possibly be why you have tricep tendonitis. I'm sure it's this. 

Kerri 01:30

For the four. 

Comedian 01:30

Minutes a day you're home. You know. 

David 01:42

Now, first of all, I want to say I'm not holding the comedian to restorative justice standards. Instead of jumping to shaming, he could have clarified by saying, what do you mean by pretty easy? And that would have opened up a totally different kind of conversation. But that's not his role in that space. His role is to make people laugh, not to facilitate healing. The reaction to this is not about him. It's about us and how we witness each other react and assign meaning to things we don't fully understand. Because as this clip was posted online, it sparked a lot of comments. Things like when we say, we need men to call out other men's bullshit, this is what we mean. Or he's probably at home like, honey, can you take care of the baby already? It's giving me tendonitis, and you know that's going to affect my work and income. Or, oh, thank God you roasted him. Or seeing a man unapologetically call out another man for not pulling their weight. Just made my night. Or only a dad can be sitting at A comedy show, drinking beer while the mom is at home with a newborn, still recovering from being torn apart, breastfeeding, not sleeping, and holding their baby all day long. A lot of heavily charged comments here citing things like accountability and men's role in child raising. But what actually happened here? These commenters and many others were watched a clip of a man put on the spot during a crowd work section of a comedy show, and that clip was edited to bait engagement. But if we take a moment and think about what actually was said in this clip, the audience member said he has tricep tendonitis from holding the baby. The baby is five months old. Parenting to this point has been pretty easy for him. His wife is at home at the moment and he owns a climbing gym. He did not insult his partner, ask for validation or sympathy for his parenting, or say he was or wasn't a present parenting partner. Now, because this clip was optimized for audience retention and engagement, we're missing a lot of nuance and context. We don't know what was edited out. We don't know if this audience member felt awkward being put on the spot and would have responded differently in other circumstances. We don't know if he was having his one night out. People are jumping to assumptions. Some of it might be valid in these circumstances. We don't know. It's true that in our culture, moms generally do carry a disproportionate emotional and physical load of child rearing. Some dads don't really do their part, and those that do often get praised for doing just the bare minimum. His comment of it's pretty easy could sound dismissive or like a slap in the face to people who have experienced those dynamics. And so many people feel unseen and unappreciated in their caregiving roles. But very little of those things were actually observable in this clip. Projecting rage and resentment in the comments is a reflection of this problem overall in society, not necessarily a reflection of this comedy show attendee. And while circumstances might differ at times, we all project our pain onto strangers, confuse venting for accountability, and turn humans into symbols for our causes and content. It might be cathartic. It might feel good in a moment to connect with people who have similar feelings. But that's not justice and that's not accountability. There is a place for venting. But if we're looking to heal, what if, instead of turning people into targets for our talking points, we asked ourselves, what is the harm here? What is the root cause of the pain behind my reaction? What Would healing look like for me or the people involved here? And who are the people in my life who I need to have these conversations with? Getting validation from strangers on the Internet is one thing. Doing the internal work to reflect on what might need to change in your life circumstances is another. And I'm not saying that it's easy, and I'm not saying it's something that you even have to do. But I know that restorative justice frameworks invite us to think about what happened, what the impact of actions are, and what needs must be met in order to make things right or as right as possible. This might seem like a trivial Internet story, but for me as a young dad who developed tendonitis in my elbow from carrying my kids, who also owns a business, who also tries to do the best that I can as a parent in sharing the load while taking care of myself as well, I really felt for the guy in this clip as the responses were coming through. I even saw someone in the DEI conflict transformation space calling him out for his behavior and applauding the comedian for this attempt at accountability. And I don't think that's totally accurate or warranted. And so what I did was I went and found the guy involved and I also found his wife. So without further ado, let's hear from the people involved in this, Kori and Kerri, about how they've been navigating this moment and parenting a young child in general in these circumstances that we're all facing. Well, Kori, welcome. I want you to be known in the ways that you want to be known here. So introduce yourself. Who are you? 

Kori 06:26

Yeah, totally. Thank you. So my name is Kori Cuthbert. I am managing partner for the Hive Climbing in Winnipeg, which is a climbing gym here. Father of a now six month old child and you know, loving, caring husband as well too, but also just, you know, passionate, outdoor, adventurous as well. Love getting outside and exploring. 

David 06:47

So yeah, that gave us a lot there. So I'll spare you like the seven layer deep, probing questions, but to the extent that you want to check in, in this moment, how are you feeling coming into this conversation about something that happened on the Internet that you didn't have a lot of control over. 

Kori 07:05

Yeah, I'm quite excited to come into this conversation. I think David reached out wanting to get my side of the story because, you know, obviously at a comedy show I'm there to have fun and, you know, I don't want to like take away from the show by, you know, explaining all the little nuances that maybe aren't necessarily Important to a joke that way. But, you know, obviously the aftermath of that is that the Internet, you know, thinks I'm a terrible person and a terrible dad. 

David 07:32

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, people do jump to judgments a lot and assumptions, both the performer in that moment and everyone who has since witnessed and decided to comment. But yeah, how did that night come to be and what happened for you? What was your side? 

Kori 07:50

So, so, like, some further context on that is we have these things called wedding socials in Manitoba. I don't think anywhere else I know of does them, but basically they're like fundraisers for the to be wed couple to fundraise their wedding. Essentially, one of our employees had their fundraiser at Rumors Comedy Club. So myself and a handful of my employees and friends and members of the community purchase tickets to go, you know, have a night out, have some laughs with some friends and colleagues that way and, you know, help support some people that we care about in, you know, helping them fundraise some money for their. Their wedding. So that's kind of what brought us out there. 

David 08:31

I'm curious, like, the clip starts with you saying, I have triceptomy. What was. What did he ask you? Or like, what was the interaction before that? 

Kori 08:40

He kind of started off talking about just like medical things in general and went in to talk about having physiotherapy and, you know, kind of quick show of hands. How many people have gone to physiotherapy for an extended period of time. And so, you know, at our table, we've all had a variety of injuries from overuse to stupid injuries where you trip and fall or whatever, or you know, things that are overuse but maybe more occupational or lifestyle related, like holding a baby. So, yeah, so we all put our hands up and crowd work wise was probably, I don't know, eight or 10 minutes total. So there's a lot more than what's on there. But, you know, there's a moment in there and I think if you go to his personal page and sign up, you can get like an extended version of it and it's trimmed down to the clip that you see online. But he's asking for like details on like rope work and things like that. And I'm like, I don't need to give you those details. It'll bore you and totally take away from this. So. And he kind of gets a little bit annoyed about that, but moves on. 

David 09:40

Yeah, and I don't imagine that that many people who are listening to this are the people who are commenting on that. But if we're talking to the people who are commenting on that, there's something about, like, please be aware of the dynamics of a comedy show and like, what you're seeing being like this much of an interaction and not even the beginning of the interaction. Right. And who knows how many of those people have actually attended the comedy show and, like, understand the pressure you might feel as the person sitting at the front who is with other people who are nervous, but also, like, wanting to be of service to everyone in the space to have a pleasant comedy. Comedy show experience. Because, right. As a business owner, what do I do for work? So little of it is service delivery. So little of what you actually do is like, I climb. Right. And explaining those nuances of your business, like, just isn't great, broad comedy material. And like, it doesn't serve the comedian right either to essentially promote his tour. And that's totally within normal human interaction. Is this the moment where we're extending. 

Kori 10:43

Kerri's going to be joining us. Yeah. 

Kerri 10:45

Yeah. 

David 10:46

Well, welcome, welcome, Kerri. Y' all are witnessing the live dynamics of what parenting, now six months old, could be. Thanks for. Thanks for joining us. Please introduce yourself in the way that you want to be known. 

Kerri 11:02

I'm Kerri. I am the wife of the viral 4 second comedy roast, husband Kori, mom of Cali. And I am right now I'm doing a lot of mom stuff, but when I, before I was doing this full time, I. And I'm on a leave of absence from work for the next 12 months because in Canada that's a privilege afforded to most of us. And when I go back to work, though, I work for a feminist pro choice healthcare organization. I'm a manager, middle manager there mostly working in birthing and parenting and reproductive health, midwifery, led care, things like that, Parenting, baby life, both professionally and now personally too. What else? I like riding my bike a lot. I haven't done that much lately either. But you know, it's all. Everything's all temporary. That's the important thing to remember, I think, with parenting and the Internet. 

David 12:12

And. 

Kori 12:13

A nice little fun fact, our daughter was actually born at Kerri's work because it is nicot free center. 

Kerri 12:18

Yeah, it's an out of hospital birthing center. So I wanted to give birth there. Even before I started to work there. I wanted to give birth there if I ever had a baby. 

David 12:28

Kori was sharing with us a little bit about, you know, how that night came to be. I'm curious from your perspective, how did that night come to be? 

Kerri 12:37

Like we talked about you know, whether or not there's a way that I could go, because I also like comedy shows and I also know the person for whom it was a fundraiser for their wedding. But getting a babysitter, even if it's a family member for an exclusively breastfed baby who still usually nurses to sleep. Like, she hasn't had a bottle since she was like, I don't know, like, you gave her one when she was like, a week old. And then we never bothered trying again because I'm home all the time. Like, I. I don't pump. She doesn't take formula. She might have a cow milk intolerance thing. So it's just, like, the logistics just aren't there. So it's like, no, you go, you have a good time. Be a good boss. Support your employee. So, you know, would I like to go out and do stuff in the evening? Sure. There's other things Kori's gone and done, and I'm just like, I have no idea how I logistically make that happen right now, but she's gonna grow up and I'll be able to go out again. Like, it's. It's not the end of the world. Really, it's fine. The Internet got really upset about the fact that I'm at home. But think, like, they don't know the logistics of it either. Right. There's so many steps that I'm like, it's fine. I don't need to go to a comedy show that badly. 

David 13:40

Yeah, right. And of course, like, none of that gets shared in the exchange going back and forth. And, like, that's not for everyone to know. We don't know how many of those commenters are parents themselves. And even those who are parents. Right. Like, different parents value different things. Like, not everyone is a breastfeeding exclusive family. And that does. Like, as somebody who is in partnership with someone who, like, really values breastfeeding, I can see all the inefficiencies like this. And, like, if that's something that you value, you just make time and space for. And of course, there's no time for that in that back and forth exchange. But I wanted to bring it back to the exchange where, you know, five months, oh, you must be in the shit. That comedian is a parent. And so he's bringing his parenting experience into that. And this is not about, like, critiquing him and his response and his craft. He was making a moment in the way that he. It's off it, but he reacted in a way that was like, shame on you. Instead of like, oh, what's going on with that? And so when Kori says, pretty easy, I'm curious what was going through your mind, Kerri? You know, you commented like, I'm the wife. I approve of this crowd work. Curious what was present in that moment and how you reacted to that specific framing, Kerri. 

Kerri 14:58

I mean, I just. I think it's hilarious because I just love when people make fun of Kori. 

Kori 15:02

That's part of it too. 

Kerri 15:03

So I just. He came home and he told me about it. I was like, oh, man, I wish I could have seen that. So then I was just like, thrilled when it ended up on the Internet and I could actually see part of the exchange. But she started crawling, and she's moving pretty quick, and we're moving. So the house isn't super baby proof, because we're gonna just deal with that when we get into our new house in a little bit. She also started solid, so there's just. It's getting harder, I would say. But, you know, that night, if you had asked me, how's it been, I don't know if I would be, like, quite as brazen on the, like, it's easy thing. But I wouldn't have said it's particularly difficult at that point, because at that point, you put her down, she stays there. She was really content to just play by herself. We have a good sleeper. We have a good eater. And even when she was younger, like, she wasn't one of those, like, cries for eight hours a day kind of babies, my physical recovery after giving birth was more challenging. I would say that would be the part that I would say that was hard. But he was here for all of that. To take me, bring me food in bed and pick up things at the store and, you know, do all of the stuff that I couldn't do, Take care of the baby, hold her. Despite his poor size of tendonitis, you know, But I think because I've worked in parenting, because even before the job that I was in, I worked in parent prenatal and postnatal support programs as well in the community. So I've met thousands of parents professionally, and we have a lot of friends that are parents already, too. So, I mean, you can't fully prepare for it until you're in it. But nothing has really come as a major surprise except for, like, I don't know, I think I didn't realize how much work it is to put them down for bed at night. That was because they said babies sleep so easy. But even with that, you put her down for the night. And she's good for a few hours at least. And I sleep pretty terribly normally. I think it's all about perspective on everything. Like, if you took my experiences and put them in somebody else's home, they definitely might find it more difficult if they like to sleep through the night. But I haven't slept through the night ever in my life. So it's like, I'm up anyway. You see, I wake up and then I hear the baby and I'm like, oh, I guess I should go feed her now kind of thing. It's not like she's waking me up. Yeah, but there's some days where I'm like, I hate this. I'm tired. I want to go for a walk. Please, please take this baby. I must leave now. But ask us if we have a second what our experience is, because I can't imagine chasing a toddler and looking after a newborn at the same time. One baby so far has been manageable. 

David 17:24

Yeah. Again, all about perspective and people projecting either their expectations of what parenting is or what they've experienced onto your circumstances. Like, isn't all that helpful? Again, helpful for laughs in a comedy show, because we all know those tropes, but within the context of attacks on people online, it's like, what are we doing here? What are we doing? It might feel cathartic for some people, but that's not really addressing the core of their problems. And I'm not here to shade anybody for commenting, but I'm here to prompt. This problem exists across society. Maybe this problem existed in your life, but what is it that this comment is doing for you? Catharsis is fine, but who are the people in your life that you need to have conversations with about this? 

Kori 18:11

Totally, yeah. 

David 18:13

I'm curious if there's any other context you wish people had who either weren't present or didn't see the extended clip. 

Kori 18:21

There wasn't a whole lot more in the extended clip. 

Kerri 18:23

It was more about the climbing thing, like asking about climbing terminology and what the climbing gym is like and things like that. And Cory sort of gave, you know, short, shorter answers. And I think at one point the comedian was like, feel free to give me absolutely nothing else to work with or something. But it's just because it's. It's. It's kind of a complicated topic. And I don't know, we went to a comedy show where this one woman just was, like, talking all about the urban wildlife of Australia, basically, and the comedian was like, please stop. I just wanted you to say an animal like, not. Not a full story about the fauna of your parents backyard. 

David 18:58

Absolutely. And so, like, you know, everyone's bringing in their parenting experiences and projecting. Like, you're bringing in your experience both as a parent, which is true to your experience, but also, like, your prior experience in comedy shows, like, trying to be of service to the moment, and that, like, dictates how you're responding to the question. And so, like, the metaphor of restorative justice that we use, like, this is what happened at the top of the iceberg, but, like, there's so much underneath that nobody sees in the moment. Y' all in the comedy show had a laugh. I didn't read, like, discomfort from you. Kori, you can tell me if I'm wrong, but it seemed like a good natured. We're having comedy show banter, and then it went up on the Internet and things were different. I'm curious if you could share a little bit about, like, the impact of that moment and then what happened after. 

Kori 19:49

In the moment? Yeah, no. No discomfort at all, really. Like, you know, as much as the comedians making jokes about and like, insinuating that I'm an absent father and, you know, I'm lying about my injury and things like that, I know it's not true. So I don't need his joke to validate me. Like I said, I was in. In this comedy show with many of my employees or former employees or members of our gym as well, too, so. So, yeah, so, like, they. They think it's funny, but they also know it's a joke. And they're like, well, like the jokes that of me being an absent father is essentially like, the real joke because, you know, I'm with Kerri and Callie as much as I possibly can be. So the first, like, six to eight weeks, Gary didn't really have a lot of energy to do anything, which is other than, you know, I shouldn't say anything, but other than keeping our baby alive. But at the same time, you know, I'm doing everything I can to make sure that she's getting as much rest as she possibly can. And, you know, if that means holding my baby and, you know, loving her to the point where she causes my elbow to be injured and just making sure that, you know, she had pretty much every meal brought to her and she didn't have to move. And so, yeah, a large part of those first couple of months, you know, I did as much as I possibly could to make Kerri's life easier. And I, you know, still do that to this day, especially knowing that we, you know, we both love our baby and want to see her grow up healthy. And I also love my wife and want to see her be very healthy and happy and. And well taken care of that way. So I just saw it as, you know, you know, very special moments that I got to spend with my family. And, yeah, there was challenging moments here and there, but overall, like Kerri has said, our baby has pretty much slept well after the first couple weeks, eaten well, and there's obligations to take care of ourselves and each other by making food, getting groceries, whatever, cleaning. But, like, I do that all the time anyways, so it's not like this extra thing really added to the life. And, you know, the baby, you know, might interrupt your schedule a little bit, but at the end of the day, she's. She's a. She's a great kid. So she's been really, you know, enjoyed to be a part of her life. 

David 21:57

So I'm gonna say the thing, and I know this might, like, shift the energy of. 

Kori 22:03

That's totally silent. 

David 22:05

So as I was watching this and thinking about perception, right? What happened was like, Kori's like, look at all the things that I do. And like, Kerri, like, your expressions in different moments could be read as like, here he goes, right? And, like, it's just like. And that's how the Internet works. Like, I don't know the dynamic between you two. Like, we met in DMs and an hour ago. And like, I was just watching myself in this moment being like, oh, this is how these misconceptions or assumptions come into play. Because here I see this guy telling me all the great things that he does where his wife is just sitting here like, yep, yep. Maybe, like, side eye in moments, right? And, like, that might not be what is in your mind, Kerri, at all. And so I want to say that and then ask Kerri what comes up just from what I said, but also, like, to the original question about impact of the moment. 

Kerri 23:01

I just read a book, it's called, called to have and To Hold. And it's about modern, like, mothering and the impact on marriage and things like that. And it's been a very insightful book because, you know, we're talking, like, purely, like, heterosexual relationships. Like, I can't speak to any sort of other type of relationship or parenting setup. Mothers and fathers kind of respond differently, are wired differently, like, go through different biological processes. And, you know, do I think that I am doing more to take care of our daughter right now? Of course I am. I'm. I'm Feeding her. I'm off work right now. Literally, my job is to look after my child. If I was back at work, there would be a different division of labor that we would have to figure out. But I am literally off work to look after this child so that we don't have to pay another person to do that. Also, it's very difficult to find infant spots, I'm sure everywhere. But in Canada, they don't really exist because we have maternity leaves here. So that's some of the stuff that comes up for me is it's just like, yeah, he's doing many, many wonderful things. And there's, you know, it's. It's a fair division of labor in that way. We've got a lot going on around our house right now, and I'm basically just focusing on looking after the child. So if, you know, if we flipped the switch here and said, well, what is she doing to help get the house ready for sale and all that, that you're just looking after your child, like, what are you even doing there? It would. It would be the same. You could have the same conversation just about something totally different. But I just think that part of it too is I was kind of zoning in and out as he was talking, because I've definitely heard him retell the story of him looking after me after I had the baby, which I totally appreciate. And, like, so I'm just like, I don't really need to listen to this right now. I'm gonna think about something else at the moment. Think about what I'm gonna do after we're done. This call, like, and it's like the mental load that we hear about a lot on the Internet, that typically tends to be the mother that Kerris, like, do we have enough diapers? Did we repack the diaper bag? Like, all of those things. So I think in the moment, I was just kind of zoning out. 

David 25:02

And when people, like, witness those dynamics without context, I wouldn't say most people, but, like, the Internet commenter, like, oh, well, see that side eye look in that moment was her feeling X, Y, Z way. It's like, you have no idea. That's a projection. You know, I'm really glad that you one were both able and willing to come on and have this conversation. I mean, I think speaking to, like, the social safety net that Canada has versus the U.S. like, it does change a lot of the dynamics of how individuals who are viewing that might feel. Also, you, Kerri, having much more experience than the average mom coming into this, like, is a huge Game changer. It doesn't mean that, like, it's any easier for you like, to actually, like, physically, mentally, emotionally have to carry that, but you do have a little bit more of a knowledge base and, like, expertise, both, like, with the knowledge and, like, you're the one who almost full time cares for the. For the baby. So, like, of course it should be you doing that while he does other things that are supporting your family, whether it's the business or getting the house ready for sale. And of course, none of that goes into a comedy show clip. But I'm curious what this whole situation has either, like, had you reevaluate or affirm the things that y' all are doing as parents. 

Kerri 26:31

I don't think it's made me reevaluate anything at all. Like, I think we're quite comfortable with our current arrangement. And it's not like, you know, hundreds of people saying that I should leave him or making me think that I should be considering that that is ridiculous based on what our current actual life is and not just the comedy clip. Like, I don't feel like I need more time, like, away. I don't need a night out right now, all of these things. But I do think it's made me think more about, like, you know, future planning, too. When I go back to work, my job is flexible to some degree as well, but not nearly as flexible as Kori's. Like, I'm expected to kind of be in an office at certain times. I have employees that, you know, require my presence at certain times as well. So probably if you talk to us a year from now, he might be doing more of the parenting, like, day to day anyway, like, getting her to daycare and, like, making sure things are ready for that. And depending on what's going on, too, sometimes I'm on call for work. So then I wouldn't be doing some of the things that I would be doing now. And, well, I'm a totally different child in a year from now, too, so made me sort of think about, like, where things are going, because I said pretty short after when I started talking to you, that everything in parenting is temporary. And that's sort of the mantra that I've tried to remember even through, like, the really more difficult newborn times. Even if there is a day where I'm like, oh, I really wish I could have gone to that. And I am kind of envious that he gets to go and do these things, eventually I will get to go do these things again, and we'll have more, like, ability to trade off. But right now, I can really only be away from her for, like, two to three hours, tops. So that's just how it is right now, and that's the decisions that we've made for our family. So, yeah, it's made me think more about the future, but at this point, like, I'm quite comfortable with our present as well. 

David 28:20

Anything from you, Kori? 

Kori 28:21

I think Kerri kind of captured it all really well that way because it's like, yeah, as much as right now, like, yeah, very fortunate that, like, Kerri's on maternity leave and she doesn't have to return to work until Callie's a year old. The, you know, the fact that we're halfway through that maternity leave, that daycare timeline is ticking. 

Kerri 28:38

So you're more nervous about that than I am, though I will find something that's a fall problem. 

Kori 28:45

So, you know, we're both pretty easygoing, adaptable people that way. And. And I think that that that doesn't really change anything going forward. And, you know, the way, you know, even some people have asked, like, you know, would you go to that comedy show again if you had the chance? And, yeah, I had a great time at the comedy show, and it was a lot of fun. You know, I'm. I'm viral for the wrong reasons online right now. But at the same time, you know, it doesn't. 

Kerri 29:07

It could have been at a Coldplay concert. 

Kori 29:09

Yeah, I could have been a Coldplay concert. 

Kerri 29:14

But. 

Kori 29:14

And, you know, I don't like Coldplay either, so I would have been very unhappy. But, no, I don't really see it changing too, too much. I do feel like a lot of people's perspectives, as we've talked about already and is very, very negative towards parenting about how it is hard all the time. And, you know, not to say that it can't be hard either, as there's lots of people that have difficult situations. But there's a lot of how having a child has taught me to be a lot more present in the moment. And, you know, there's moments where your child's screaming at you for hours and you're like, you're fed, your diapers changed, you just woke up from a nap, like, what can I do for you now? And you're like, why aren't you happy? And you have those moments where you kind of wish for the future where she's a little bit older and she can communicate, or maybe you can play with her in a little bit more of an engaging way, but then also you reflect back on it and you're like, no, let's just live in this moment now and, and appreciate this time that we get to spend together right now. And you know, our daughter's only going to be as young as she is today, so admiring the fact that she's learning new skills and playing that way. And so it just, I think has been really grounding and kind of teaching that lesson of just, you know, appreciating what you have at this moment. 

David 30:33

So yeah, I mean, and that's a message for me having been up from like 1:30 to 3 last night with my, with my 3 year old who like randomly spiked a fever and like was coughing and so like having to one wake up multiple, multiple times but like, hey Dada, like cover me with you know, like a cool, cool rag, right? And then it falls off like, I can't fix it. I can't fix it, right? In those moments, like, I just want to sleep, like, come on, right? And you know what a beautiful moment that is as well that, you know, I know years from now I'll look back on as like, oh, I wish you needed me in those ways. And you know, those, those moments come up all the time. But it's also like beautiful when at 6:05 he's very well trained with his nightlight. When the light turns green, you can come out of your room. I was sleeping on, on the couch just because he had been sick and like he comes and like snuggles me. We read a story and you know, we have those beautiful moments. And so I know there's, there's a baby who needs attending to in a moment. So I guess my last question, what do you want to say to folks who saw the clip and felt anger, pain or solidarity based off of their own experiences? 

Kerri 31:57

Do you want to go first? 

Kori 31:59

You can go first. Yeah. 

Kerri 32:02

I think that I'm guessing that the majority of the people who were expressing anger, especially the women in the group that, you know, were maybe mothers already. I really do hope that circumstances become more easily supportive for families wherever people live. Like, I think that if, you know, people are trying to have families and have children and keep society with people in it, you know, we need supportive environments to do that. So I hope that whatever that looks like, I hope people can find that support that they need and in the future there's just increased support for people in that way as well. But I do think too it's, it's an interesting way to look at, you know, not taking things too seriously and remembering that people have more to them. Like you talked about the iceberg analogy. This is a very small clip of a very large iceberg. And that really applies to everybody everywhere, you know, be it somebody who doesn't have a home to live on. People who like. I come from like a harm reduction background too. So I think of people who like are substance users and what has brought them to that place in life. So I think just remembering that everybody's got more to them than this, than that brief moment that you see of them and I don't know, go read a book or something. Just get off the Internet and read a book, Whatever book. It can be like, you know, the smutty fantasy that seems to be very popular that I haven't gotten into yet. I'm not a fantasy person or a nonfiction. You know, just put down your phone and read a book maybe once in a while, just escape the world. Because I think the world is really hard and scary for people in a lot of ways right now. So maybe let's just take a step back from the Internet and read a book. 

Kori 33:53

So adding maybe a little bit to Kerri's comment there about reading a book or getting off the Internet or going for a walk. But I, I think like, you know, I had, you know, someone came to my personal profile to say and post on something like I hope your tendonitis gets worse and something along the lines of that. But it's one of those things where I. Yeah, I just hope people can learn to be kind and you know, spend a little bit more time thinking about something before they post something. 

Kerri 34:21

Yeah, I did think of one other thing too. There was one person who messaged me directly, which I think is an interesting action to take after. But she was very nice and we had a little back and forth in, in my DMs about just like she thought it was, she thought the bit was very funny. She's sure that, you know, that's not an accurate portrayal of my life at all. And we just talked a little bit about parenting and like, you know, the effort that requires that it's required to. So I think that there's some really nice moments like that where, you know, I got to have some interesting back and forth with people that wasn't all negative. So I think, you know, for every negative comment out there, there's probably several people. I mean the video has millions of views, so there's probably many people who have seen it and said, haha, that's funny. I bet that's not actually true. And then they just moved on with their life. Right. But the people are more inclined always to leave a bad review or whatever the saying is around that. So I think, you know, for every negative comment there's probably a handful or many more than people that are like haha. And then they moved on with their day and they can't feel the need. 

Kori 35:21

To write anything down on the Internet. 

Kerri 35:23

So that's. Yeah, all those things have just sort of been in mind as we've navigated this for the past week or so. 

David 35:30

Yeah. And it's brought us here. Right. And hopefully this conversation to the people that it reaches and to the people that the clips of this reaches. Right. Because like that's the way that the Internet works. Learned a little bit or were at least a little bit self reflective on their behavior on the Internet and in the way that they perceive people in their day to day interactions. Because you really do just get this much in any given interaction. Thank you all so much for your time, your wisdom, your experience. To those of you listening, may you be safe, may you be happy, may you be healthy, may you live with ease and may you continue to work for a world where that can be true for everyone. Peace.